CDN WAG Olympic selection

Judge Grace Chiu:

The Olympic Selection Points process is well-documented (PDF) . It needs to be read and understood.

I was tasked to make a working spreadsheet based on this document for the selection committee, which I did on the plane to Regina. It was verified as correct after AA finals.

Thus, there is no Cone-of-Silence on this, and as of now, after Canadian Championships, the Top 12 candidates with points are:

1. Kristina Vaculik 46.40
2. Victoria Moors 30.80
3. Dominique Pegg 20.10
4. Ellie Black 17.60
5. Jessica Savona 11.80
6. Brittany Rogers 9.20
6. Madeline Gardiner 9.20
8. Mikaela Gerber 5.80
9. Christine Lee 4.00
10. Talia Chiarelli 3.00
11. Jessica Dowling 2.40
11. Stefanie Merkle 2.40

I believe it’s pretty cut & dry that those 12 will be invited to the Olympic selection camp in Gatineau. There is no “petitioning”. The points system is working.

The rest with points > 0:
13. Anysia Unick 2.00
13. Briannah Tsang 2.00
15. Laura-Ann Chong 1.20
16. Bianca Dancose-Giambattisto 1.00 — having ankle surgery Tuesday …

The only subjective assignment of points will be under Criteria 3A at the selection camp. It is a maximum of 5 points assessed for performance “on demand”. This is not going to be a deal-breaker for those who already have 5 points as of now, and see, they are in the Top 8.

Trust the points system…

GCG will announce the entire Olympic team for WAG, MAG, TG, and RG on June 29.

Let’s see if Grace’s confidence in the points system carries through Camp. It certainly worked badly last Olympics.
(Grace points out that it’s been changed since Beijing. No points for World Cup meets.)

My preference would be to select the top 2 or 3 team members on (hopefully) objective criteria. And have a National Coach — after consultation — select the last 2 or 3 who best “balance” the team.

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12 comments ↓

#1 WagWatcher on 05.28.12 at 11:33 pm

Wow, Grace. I just lost a whole lot of respect for you based on your comments about the points system. Were you not paying attention during the last quad? That points system was also “well-documented” and look what a disaster that turned out to be. Oh yeah…I forgot that you work for GCG.
The points system doesn’t work and one would hope that GCG would have figured that out after the Kristina/Nansy debacle of 2008. Think about it, Grace, Peng now doesn’t have enough points to qualify to London. How stupid is that? Now GCG has to figure out a way to let her compete if she is able and still find a way to manipulate the points system to make sure that everything is fair and above board. Truth be told, nothing is ever fair and above board with GCG. GCG chooses who goes and gets funding for international events where athletes have the chance to win points – what about those kids who don’t get to go? How do they get points? GCG pre-selects by sending favoured athletes to meets where they can win points. Only coaches “in the know” are aware that they should ask GCG to have their athletes sent to meets so they can win points. What a load of nonsense! So what does this mean? Kids who’s parents can afford to pay are able to go to meets to possibly gain points? Everyone knows that GCG WAG lost funding after the last quad due to their ineptitude, so there is precious little money available to send athletes abroad.
The whole points process is underhanded and ridiculous in every respect. To defend it undermines anyone’s credibility.

#2 Grace on 05.29.12 at 10:03 am

You need to forget about the last quad. Kristina Vaculik has shown that she has. If anything, the MAG selection for The One looks more similar to the previous WAG selection, and no one is saying much about that.

This time for WAG, there are no points assigned for World Cups and other competitions. Even Elite Canada is not a consideration.

We have no National Coach, and we will not have one in the next eight weeks.

If Peng Peng can recover in time for Gatineau and be capable of getting the points, which are weighted 60%, then she deserves to be on the team. Otherwise, what benefit is there by putting an injured athlete on the team? We still don’t know her prognosis.

Hypothetically, if she goes to Gatineau, shows just bars & beam, scoring what she did in Pacific Rim finals, she could still very well be in the mix mathematically, , depending on how the others perform.

If you read the process, you would understand that the points select the first 4 gymnasts. The 5th gymnast still could be a committee assignment, as would the alternate, and the coaches.

The only covert operation going on now is what leotards are being designed with Jagwear for the Games. Somethi
ng with black … that’s all I know.

#3 coach Rick on 05.29.12 at 10:47 am

Thanks Grace. I hope you’re right.

No points for World Cups is a good change.

When I spoke with the coaches of some of those gymnasts at Nationals, the feeling I got was that they are suspicious of the process. I didn’t hear anyone but you defend it.

Looks good … on paper.

#4 Walrus on 05.29.12 at 2:43 pm

Grace is right. Read the document. The points aren’t like 2008 at all.

She has a math degree (and from the same class as Peng Peng’s parents), so maybe she is the only one who can wrap her head around this process.

And don’t forget that Vaculik fell off bars everytime she was at Worlds and there’s no penalty for that. She’s still going to make the team.

#5 WagWatcher on 05.29.12 at 7:18 pm

Grace, you start your comments off suggesting that we forget about the last quad. Really? Have you not heard that those who fail to study history are destined to repeat the mistakes made by their predecessors?
It is impossible to forget about the last quad because the people who enforced that travesty are still in control at GCG.
Lise and JP must go before any real change can happen at GCG. The atmosphere between the HP coaches and GCG has been poisonous ever since Lise cut off their collective voice by single-handedly abolishing the HP Coaches Council. She has operated as a dictator ever since, deciding policy without consultation, scheduling meetings for when she knew HP coaches would be in the air and then punishing them for not showing up, forcing them to sign to contracts by threatening to remove their athletes from selection processes. Coaches were required to make split-second decisions about non-funded trips for their athletes-unable to take even one hour to discuss the financial repurcussions with the parents. wth? If she were a leader of a small, foreign country, the citizenry would have rebelled and overthrown the dictatorship.
The HP coaches across Canada realized they had to act collectively against her and JP in order to make the system better for their athletes. They re-formed the HP Coaches Council and both JP and Lise refused to recognize it until the Board of Directors forced their hand.
So Grace….defend your “process” and tell me just how you think that things have changed for the better in Ottawa so that HP coaches and athletes can expect to be treated fairly. There have been many documents – well-documented documents in fact, and they have meant nothing. How can the HP coaches not be suspicious of the intentions of Lise and JP?

#6 WagWatcher on 05.29.12 at 8:34 pm

Grace – I forgot to add in one point. We do not have a National Coach. We won’t have one until Lise and JP are gone. No self-respecting HP coach in this country will work with them, so the position has been blank. One can hardly count Vladimir Lashin’s tenure as a viable Head Coach position. The HP coaches from across the country REFUSED to work with him as they knew he was corrupt and they forced Lise to listen to them in Kamloops. People need to know about this. They need to know that they have to back their coaches because their coaches are all about supporting and nurturing their kids into being the best athletes possible. These same coaches face an uphill battle with a national organization which continually fails to support them and their athletes. The parasites in Ottawa have lost sight of the fact that they are only there to support and nurture athletes so that they can represent Canada – and they need to support the coaches who are the ONLY ones capable of producing the athletes Canada (and GCG!) rely on for representation internationally!

#7 WagWatcher on 05.29.12 at 8:36 pm

Grace – I forgot to add in one point. We do not have a National Coach. We won’t have one until Lise and JP are gone. No self-respecting HP coach in this country will work with them, so the position has been blank for years. One can hardly count Vladimir Lashin’s tenure as a viable Head Coach position. The HP coaches from across the country REFUSED to work with him as they knew he was corrupt and they forced Lise to listen to them in Kamloops, when he was eventually forced to “resign”. People need to know about this. They need to know that they have to back their coaches because their coaches are all about supporting and nurturing their kids into being the best athletes possible. These same coaches face an uphill battle with a national organization which continually fails to support them and their athletes. The parasites in Ottawa have lost sight of the fact that they are only there to support and nurture athletes so that they can represent Canada – and Ottawa needs to support the coaches who are the ONLY ones capable of producing the athletes Canada (and GCG!) rely on for representation internationally!

#8 WW on 05.29.12 at 9:39 pm

Well, looking at this from the perspective of someone who wants the best for the team and for the individual gymnasts, I have to say that the list does not look representative of the performance that I’ve seen from some athletes this year.
Frankly, I am not convinced that using internal Canadian meets is the best way to judge how successful the individual gymnasts might be internationally

#9 Doubter on 05.30.12 at 11:27 am

As someone who attended Nationals this year in Regina and watched carefully, I am a little sceptical about the system. The reality is that the team has been chosen, with a couple of athletes on the “bubble”. The “judging” at Nationals for AA finals and event finals was as corrupt as has ever been witnessed at a gymnastics event, anywhere, anytime. They could have pre-published the marks prior to the meet and saved the athletes a lot of time and money. It was worse than Olympic figure skating when the Canadian pair was judged second and then changed to first. It was obvious that, after qualification, the judges got together and determined that they needed to mark 3 of the athletes down and 2 of the athletes up, regardless of performance, in order to get the points system in line with the results they wanted to accord their “points” system with the pre-determined team. Anyone involved with this abberation should be ashamed of themselves. Defending it is most definitely a denial of the truth. If you don’t believe me, watch the bars final with an open mind, and then compare your ranking to the final results. As one international coach said after the competition, “it wasn’t a competition, it was theatre”.

#10 coach Rick on 05.30.12 at 12:02 pm

Regardless of judging, Kristina should be on the Olympic Team. No doubt.

I’m good with Victoria Moors, Olympian.

After that, best case scenario would be a National Coach selecting the rest of the team. As the National Coach does in hockey, baseball, and many other sports.

The coach would “fit” the best routines into the most balanced package.

Any points system based on judging results, no matter how good, will be criticized.

Since we’re stuck with the points system for this cycle, we have to make the best of it. Alternates should be READY. Recall how many of the USA Men’s Team went out injured during the last weeks before Beijing.

#11 Guest on 06.01.12 at 6:04 pm

I would have to agree the judging at Nationals this year at all WAG levels was hard to take.

W have to remember there will always be politics in everything, there is no perfect system.

In the Fall, Maybe enough people will raise their concerns and force GCG to really look at how they wish move forward with Gymnastics in Canada. As it stands now, it is failing in many ways.

#12 Chris on 06.02.12 at 12:30 pm

Hi I did my own points spreadsheet and I have 47.6 for Vaculik and 33.2 for Moors.

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