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August 4th, 2010 | bars, Gymnastics, horizontal bar
On Chalk Bucket coaches are discussing, as they love to do, Reverse Hecht.
There are many, many different ways to do that technically easy, psychologically difficult, trick. Best advice is to look at the ultimate performances to date. Cade Raggio, for example.
Click PLAY or watch him on YouTube.
Click through to see the discussion – Chalk Bucket – Tkatchev: Men’s vs. Women’s technique
Valentin Uzunov and others have already weighed in.
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Thanks, Rick!
Any idea if Raggio has ever successfully caught that skill? I’ve seen a version of that video before which continued a few more seconds, and while his hands certainly hit the bar, he couldn’t hang on to swing out of it.
People online said he had caught it in training. (No video, though.)
LOVE that!!!
That was delicious.
IMHO, a Kovacs is a “technically easy, psychologically difficult” skill. A Tkatkev is a very technical skill. So many different opinions on how to do a Tkatchev, but as long as your feet are leading at the bottom of the swing – you should be able to counter salto. How you prepare to get your feet leading at the bottom depends on your body type, “quickness”, etc. Kovacs is “just” at double back over the bar.
What is it with people saying the men’s high bar bends more than the women’s bar? Where do they get that from? To me it seems like the women’s bar bends more just because it’s made from a substance that’s more bendy. It may not bend as much when a lighter athlete is on there or one with kind of a slow swing but that’s the athlete that causes less bend, not the actual bar.
Hi
shergymrag you are right as far as i know i can’t say that i can provide empirical evidence that the MAG bar has more bend.. But in general its can be said that the metal bar does bend more because
1- Its thinner
2- Male gymnast weight more and able to generate greater forces
However some female gymnasts are also able to generate a lot of bar bend and get great spring out of the UB. But usually they are heavier and taller, which hinders technique in ways.
I am look for evidence though for you….as there have been studies done and i am sure result on bar movement have been published.
Valentin Uzunov
TheGymPress
Thanks, Val!
One particular gymnast whose technique seems to support my hypothesis is Ksenia Semenova:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLA8ppxa094
While she does not do a full-blown chinese tap, she definitely uses the same aggressive, early open to arch as is used by the men, and the effect on her counterrotation is quite stunning.
I’d be hesitant to base my technical approach on just one gymnast though…
Oops, that was Afansyeva, not Semenova.
I don’t know what the official way to test bend is and I don’t know if I’m thinking of bend a different way than other people are. I just know that when I watch the bigger WAG bend the bar, especially ones with a strong swing, it seems like there is the same as or more bend than the typically heavier MAG get on their bar. So if these lighter WAG athletes can get what seems like equal or greater bend out of their bar despite being lighter, than to me it says the WAG bar has more bend.
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