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2017-2020 MAG Code of Points

At Worlds FIG MTC Chair Steve BUTCHER facilitated a committee round table to brainstorm ideas to improve the Men’s Code.

I include here a few samples of the discussion.

Question:

Are there a set of “first” or fundamental principles that underlay the Codes and by which the TCs frame discussions regarding specific issues or decisions, and if so, what are they?

Safety, Fair Play, Universality

Question:

Can we move from 5 to 4 element groups per exercise?

Idea for P Bars:

Combine the Long Swing and Underswing element groups (the Long Swing group is very difficult for taller gymnasts)

Idea for H Bar:

Add a requirement for flight elements with salto over the bar

Download a copy of the Powerpoint Presentation to see the rest.

I’m happy to see the committee so open minded. Let’s wait and see what changes end up being made. The rules for Horizontal Bar and Floor Exercise are dreadful now. Almost any change would be for the better.

KIM-Nellie-BUTCHER-Steve

… The WTC and MTC both met in sunny and warm Cancun (MEX) for their final meetings of the year from 5-10 November. Each committee met individually, as well as jointly …

Let’s hope they jointly came up with ways to IMPROVE the Codes.

related – FIG FLACK – WOMEN’S ARTISTIC GYMNASTICS NEWSLETTER #36, November 2014

via Nico

Codes of Points online

gymdrills.net has gotten even better.

Published on 29 Oct 2014

We are happy to present you with the Code of Points online browser for Men’s Artistic Gymnastics and Women’s Artistic Gymnastics.

It allows you to go through the complete “Code of Points” document in a user friendly way. Additionally, this system enables you to search relevant drills for a particular element.

Click PLAY or watch it on YouTube.

Check it out – gymdrills.net

Free registration required.

Oleg VERNIAIEV – H Bar

Many would name Oleg as the man with the best chance to catch Uchimura in the AA. Verniaiev went 90.400 at Blume including a poor FX routine.

The catch?

Oleg’s H Bar is far, far weaker than the King.

On the other hand, Oleg’s improved, no longer looking like a USA J.O. Level 10.

Click PLAY or watch it on YouTube.

If the Code changes, however, and I believe it will, this routine could be very low start score in 2017.

judging artistry – neither reliable nor valid

Research study out of University of Ljubljana, Slovenia:

Due to its nature and relatively poor definitions in the Code of points, judging of artistry may suffer from serious flaws in reliability and validity.

We have used the balance beam artistry evaluation forms given by 5 execution judges at World Championship in Tokyo 2011 to analyze reliability and validity.

Data on 194 competitors was gathered. Deductions were received by a highly variable number of competitors from separate judges in the same components of artistry.

The variability of average total artistry deduction was relatively large, ranging from 0.18 to 0.39 points.

The average correlation coefficient in total artistry deductions between all judge pairs was 0.6±0.06 and average correlation coefficient in total deductions from execution score was 0.73±0.04, p < 0.001.

Vika on beamKendall’s coefficient W revealed significant systematic over- or under-rating of judges in the components of artistry of presentation, sureness of performance and variation in rhythm, but also in total artistry deductions (W values ranged from 0.05 to 0.53, p < 0.001 for all W coefficients).

We conclude that neither reliability nor validity of artistry judging was satisfactory in this analysis. Further thorough evaluations of judging performance in artistry are needed to guide accommodations and hopefully improvements in this field. …

Authors are grateful to Nelli Kim, FIG Women’s Technical Committee President who supported this study during and after the World Championship in Tokyo 2011.

Open the study as a PDF.

That was using the rules of the last quadrennial. Still, it’s my belief that different people cannot judge artistry consistently.

Instead, FIG judges should simply apply the Code as written now, deducting for errors in form, body position and rhythm. The most artistic will be rewarded. Consistently.

(via Science of Gymnastics Journal)

Hong vs Biles – Vault

The 2008 Olympic Champion competed first. And hit better than we’d seen her in training or prelims.

Click PLAY or watch Hong Un Jong on YouTube.

With 0.8 lower start scores, Simone needed to stick or near stick to move ahead.

Click PLAY or watch it on YouTube.

Two fantastic vaulters. I was happy with the podium ranking.

1. Hong Un Jong
2. Simone Biles
3. Mykayla Skinner

vault results

commentary by Catherine – Beautiful Gymnastics – EF Day 1: Vault and Bars

She notes that we had no falls, a wide variety of vaults and, happily for me, no Produnovas. Only Dipa of India competed one at this Worlds.

the men of Nanning

The Liukin:

Ri Se Gwang (PRK)
Danell Leyva (USA)
Denis Ablyazin (RUS)
Petro Pakhnyuk (AZE)
Jossimar Calvo (COL)
Zhang Chenglong (CHN)

For once a Chinese gymnast who’s exciting to watch on high bar! How many years has it been?

Zhang

He won many points from me for finally being interesting, so I hope he keeps doing what he’s doing. In fact, I even felt sorry for him in the high bar final when his grip broke during his routine. A hit routine from him could’ve shaken up the medal standings and perhaps made Epke Zonderland a little nervous. I still haven’t figured out the messy handling of the time rule.

The Men of Nanning and Their Lasting Impressions: Part II

Despite confusion at the time, it sounds like the judges should not have let him continue the routine. It took more than 30sec to locate and put on a new grip.

Yang Hak Seon (KOR)
Krisztián Berki (HUN)
Sam Mikulak (USA)
Nikolai Kuksenkov (RUS)
Nile Wilson (GBR)
Manrique Larduet (CUB)

The Men of Nanning and their Lasting Impressions: Part III

NCAA Vault – a stick contest

Since College judges do not much reward height, distance or body position, getting a good score is pretty much determined by the landing.

Click PLAY or watch Utah training landings on YouTube.

Sam Mikulak in Rio?

When pressed to predict who would finish 2nd to Kohei in Nanning I named Sam Mikulak.

Why Sam?

I felt his NCAA success would give him consistency under pressure. And that his relaxed psychology would help in that loud arena in Nanning. If Sam hit 6 for 6, he would score high.

My confidence in Sam’s consistency is not holding up, however. In the training hall we heard Sam was having problems, especially on P Bars.

He fell on P Bars in the AA Final and shouldn’t have been allowed to continue as he took longer than 30sec to resume his routine.

(Later Zhang was allowed to resume his H Bar routine after breaking a grip, even though it took longer than 30sec to get a new one. A new rule on that has been discussed by FIG MTC, but it had now been implemented by Nanning.)

Sam’s still a podium contender for Rio. But don’t bet the mortgage.

And he’s trying to upgrade.

Tanaka on Rings

One of the few new elements competed at World Championships 2014.

E-value

Click PLAY or watch it on YouTube.

He does it well.

Dipa Karmakar | Gymnastics in India

India Express – Shrivani Nayak:

‘Dipa is great, but for India to succeed it must look beyond the specifics.”

Jim Holt has coached 7 nations at a fourteen World Championships over the last quarter century, developing gymnastics in far-flung corners. Currently, employed by the Sports Authority of India, the former University of Washington coach has been overseeing the Indian programme. Based out of New Delhi, and frequenting the NIS in Patiala for conducting coaches courses, the American from Seattle puts into perspective Dipa Karmakar’s performances this season, but urges that much more needs to be done if gymnastics has to become a mass-sport that consistently fetches medals for India.

I can state with certainty, given that I’m well connected internationally, and that Dipa Karmakar is currently one of the best-known female vaulters in the world. It is a testimony to her achievement and to coach Nandi’s ambition that she has accomplished a bronze medal at Commonwealth Games and finished 10th (by far highest placing of all gymnasts in India’s history — men or women) at the 2014 World Championships on this event. …

Indian gymnastics is not and should not be Dipa Karmakar and Ashish Kumar. There are a couple thousand kids (in at least 24 or 25 of the states) right now that are India’s future pipeline. …

Personally when I think of Dipa attempting the difficult Produnova, I do not think skills should be competed without achieving mastery of the same.

That said, I only have the highest personal regard, respect, admiration and affection for Dipa. I’ll repeat — I wish she could compete for the men and I’m totally serious about that. Heck, I’d put her on the men’s floor and vault team tomorrow if the rules would allow …

Nandi and Karmakar
Coach Nandi

read more – Vaulting ambition, soaring dreams

Click through to see how and why gymnasts from developing nations like India are the ones, so far, risking the dangerous handspring double front vault.

Click PLAY or watch her Commonwealths double front on YouTube. (15.1)

Click PLAY or watch her Asian Games qualifier on YouTube. (15.2)

Click PLAY or watch her Asian Games Final on YouTube.

So that’s a vault that either scores 0.0. Or 15+. :-(

Nonsensical, in my opinion. That kind of deep, dangerous landing must be deducted more.

Simplest solution is to ban the skill. Next best would be to devalue significantly.

Beam – Teramoto v Mustafina

One of the more controversial decisions at Worlds 2014.

Who should have won the Bronze medal in the Beam final?

Aliya Mustafina missing a 0.5 EGR or Asuka Teramoto?

Click PLAY or watch Aliya on YouTube.

Click PLAY or watch Asuka on YouTube.

3 MUSTAFINA Aliya RUS 5.500 + 8.666 = 14.166
4 TERAMOTO Asuka JPN 5.600 + 8.500 = 14.100

Aliya:

“I knew my beam routine was not the most difficult one and I had no expectations to make it to the podium today. It was sheer luck.”

Bars – the Vivian

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#ThrillingThursday! This is the move we call 'THE VIVIAN'!! I broke my back trying to learn this skill last year, but persistence and determination made me try again! Unfortunately the technical committee only valued it a 'C' which was heartbreaking, but that's life. I want to thank my bar coach @jfabs101 for believing such a crazy skill idea could work, and the numerous Australian coaches who helping teach a skill that's never been done! A special thanks goes out to the team at @internationalgymcamp who helped me re-learn this skill and make it possible! ???????????? #TheVivian #Bars #Gymnastics #NewSkill #WhatAThrill

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To handstand, I assume it would be awarded D-part.

To handstand in undergrip and Endo or Weiler, D-part as well.

Grandi on the Code of Points

You may have read accounts of FIG President Grandi’s Press Conference at worlds.

Editorial | Another band-aid from Grandi

That’s The All Around, a site that has closely followed Grandi’s experiments with the Code of Points starting 2006.

Grandi

I was there and did not leave with the same impression. For one thing, he spoke in broken English rather than being translated. There was not much nuance.

He both stated that the Artistic Codes were not working and that we’ve had enough drastic change.

His idea of dividing the difficulty score by two and adding it to the E-score was simply an example, not a proposal.

One point was clear:

acrobatic content is weighted too much compared with artistic content

I agree.

Uncle Tim’s data shows that difficulty does not always trump execution, however. Uchimura and Ross are two gymnasts who very well competing against higher start scores. They do not fall.

Solutions are being widely debated.

Women’s judges at Worlds attended a presentation on Artistry led by Armine Barutyan Fong, Carol-Angela Orchard and others. As I said to CA, artistry is by its very definition, subjective.

To me Simone Biles’ Floor routine is artistic as it moves me emotionally. Many others disagree.

I highly doubt that any kind of Code definition of artistry is ever going to work. :-(

Instead, the execution judges must rank gymnasts by quality. Apply the Code as written. The range of E-scores must be greater, not tightly clumped the way they are now.

How do we prevent cheating if E-score range is increased?

Publish individual scores for each judge. Most other referees in sport are subject to the court of public opinion. Why are FIG judges so protected? So unaccountable?

I do like the proposal that E-judges be able to deduct 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 0.4, 0.5 (currently it’s 0.1 or 0.3 or 0.5)

That worked in the past. It would help in the future.

One last thing. Grandi was careful to include the talking point that this is his last term in Office. Conspiracy theorists are still postulating that he plans some kind of Putin strategy in the next election.