I’m happy to see the committee so open minded. Let’s wait and see what changes end up being made. The rules for Horizontal Bar and Floor Exercise are dreadful now. Almost any change would be for the better.
Research study out of University of Ljubljana, Slovenia:
Due to its nature and relatively poor definitions in the Code of points, judging of artistry may suffer from serious flaws in reliability and validity.
We have used the balance beam artistry evaluation forms given by 5 execution judges at World Championship in Tokyo 2011 to analyze reliability and validity.
Data on 194 competitors was gathered. Deductions were received by a highly variable number of competitors from separate judges in the same components of artistry.
The variability of average total artistry deduction was relatively large, ranging from 0.18 to 0.39 points.
The average correlation coefficient in total artistry deductions between all judge pairs was 0.6±0.06 and average correlation coefficient in total deductions from execution score was 0.73±0.04, p < 0.001.
Kendall’s coefficient W revealed significant systematic over- or under-rating of judges in the components of artistry of presentation, sureness of performance and variation in rhythm, but also in total artistry deductions (W values ranged from 0.05 to 0.53, p < 0.001 for all W coefficients).
We conclude that neither reliability nor validity of artistry judging was satisfactory in this analysis. Further thorough evaluations of judging performance in artistry are needed to guide accommodations and hopefully improvements in this field. …
Authors are grateful to Nelli Kim, FIG Women’s Technical Committee President who supported this study during and after the World Championship in Tokyo 2011.
Ri Se Gwang (PRK)
Danell Leyva (USA)
Denis Ablyazin (RUS)
Petro Pakhnyuk (AZE)
Jossimar Calvo (COL)
Zhang Chenglong (CHN)
For once a Chinese gymnast who’s exciting to watch on high bar! How many years has it been?
He won many points from me for finally being interesting, so I hope he keeps doing what he’s doing. In fact, I even felt sorry for him in the high bar final when his grip broke during his routine. A hit routine from him could’ve shaken up the medal standings and perhaps made Epke Zonderland a little nervous. I still haven’t figured out the messy handling of the time rule.
When pressed to predict who would finish 2nd to Kohei in Nanning I named Sam Mikulak.
I felt his NCAA success would give him consistency under pressure. And that his relaxed psychology would help in that loud arena in Nanning. If Sam hit 6 for 6, he would score high.
My confidence in Sam’s consistency is not holding up, however. In the training hall we heard Sam was having problems, especially on P Bars.
He fell on P Bars in the AA Final and shouldn’t have been allowed to continue as he took longer than 30sec to resume his routine.
(Later Zhang was allowed to resume his H Bar routine after breaking a grip, even though it took longer than 30sec to get a new one. A new rule on that has been discussed by FIG MTC, but it had now been implemented by Nanning.)
Sam’s still a podium contender for Rio. But don’t bet the mortgage.
‘Dipa is great, but for India to succeed it must look beyond the specifics.”
’Jim Holt has coached 7 nations at a fourteen World Championships over the last quarter century, developing gymnastics in far-flung corners. Currently, employed by the Sports Authority of India, the former University of Washington coach has been overseeing the Indian programme. Based out of New Delhi, and frequenting the NIS in Patiala for conducting coaches courses, the American from Seattle puts into perspective Dipa Karmakar’s performances this season, but urges that much more needs to be done if gymnastics has to become a mass-sport that consistently fetches medals for India.
I can state with certainty, given that I’m well connected internationally, and that Dipa Karmakar is currently one of the best-known female vaulters in the world. It is a testimony to her achievement and to coach Nandi’s ambition that she has accomplished a bronze medal at Commonwealth Games and finished 10th (by far highest placing of all gymnasts in India’s history — men or women) at the 2014 World Championships on this event. …
Indian gymnastics is not and should not be Dipa Karmakar and Ashish Kumar. There are a couple thousand kids (in at least 24 or 25 of the states) right now that are India’s future pipeline. …
Personally when I think of Dipa attempting the difficult Produnova, I do not think skills should be competed without achieving mastery of the same.
That said, I only have the highest personal regard, respect, admiration and affection for Dipa. I’ll repeat — I wish she could compete for the men and I’m totally serious about that. Heck, I’d put her on the men’s floor and vault team tomorrow if the rules would allow …
#ThrillingThursday! This is the move we call 'THE VIVIAN'!! I broke my back trying to learn this skill last year, but persistence and determination made me try again! Unfortunately the technical committee only valued it a 'C' which was heartbreaking, but that's life. I want to thank my bar coach @jfabs101 for believing such a crazy skill idea could work, and the numerous Australian coaches who helping teach a skill that's never been done! A special thanks goes out to the team at @internationalgymcamp who helped me re-learn this skill and make it possible! ???????????? #TheVivian #Bars #Gymnastics #NewSkill #WhatAThrill
Women’s judges at Worlds attended a presentation on Artistry led by Armine Barutyan Fong, Carol-Angela Orchard and others. As I said to CA, artistry is by its very definition, subjective.
To me Simone Biles’ Floor routine is artistic as it moves me emotionally. Many others disagree.
I highly doubt that any kind of Code definition of artistry is ever going to work.
Instead, the execution judges must rank gymnasts by quality. Apply the Code as written. The range of E-scores must be greater, not tightly clumped the way they are now.
How do we prevent cheating if E-score range is increased?
Publish individual scores for each judge. Most other referees in sport are subject to the court of public opinion. Why are FIG judges so protected? So unaccountable?
I do like the proposal that E-judges be able to deduct 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 0.4, 0.5 (currently it’s 0.1 or 0.3 or 0.5)
That worked in the past. It would help in the future.
One last thing. Grandi was careful to include the talking point that this is his last term in Office. Conspiracy theorists are still postulating that he plans some kind of Putin strategy in the next election.