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		<title>By: juangone</title>
		<link>http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2010/01/gymnastics-utah-edges-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-152656</link>
		<dc:creator>juangone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha!  Ok, after hearing your efforts to paint a picture of Deetscreek that simply aren&#039;t there, I&#039;d love to hear what your knowledgeable judging friends have to say about Georgia&#039;s vault rotation with their form, amplitude, landings, etc.  (or lack thereof).  That&#039;s a serious question.  They were very much overscored there and got some nice gifts on beam and floor.  I don&#039;t mind if you want to critique routines, but your bias is so strong it is actually blinding you to the fact that the very minor details that you try to make into big ones with Deetscreek are actually larger details with much of the Georgia team at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha!  Ok, after hearing your efforts to paint a picture of Deetscreek that simply aren&#8217;t there, I&#8217;d love to hear what your knowledgeable judging friends have to say about Georgia&#8217;s vault rotation with their form, amplitude, landings, etc.  (or lack thereof).  That&#8217;s a serious question.  They were very much overscored there and got some nice gifts on beam and floor.  I don&#8217;t mind if you want to critique routines, but your bias is so strong it is actually blinding you to the fact that the very minor details that you try to make into big ones with Deetscreek are actually larger details with much of the Georgia team at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I watched the wrong video, she did a double twist last week. But I still stand by what I say with her having low tumbles.

Her double twist had crossed legs and leg separation and her back layout stepout was VERY low, her knee was bent substantially when she contacted the ground. She had a low landing on her double pike, as well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v612/marcEmarc/screen2.jpg

And yes, judges DO consider level of difficulty when judging. They are not going to go ahead and give an easier routine with a 10 SV a 9.9 just like that. It would have to be absolutely brilliant, and Deetscreek&#039;s routine was not brilliant, it was average.

I know level 10 and NCAA judges and I talk with them about deductions, so please don&#039;t tell me about understanding scoring. I know plenty well what&#039;s required, I simply rewatched the wrong video (I watched the competition live and discussed with one of those judges during the competition what deductions could and should be taken).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I watched the wrong video, she did a double twist last week. But I still stand by what I say with her having low tumbles.</p>
<p>Her double twist had crossed legs and leg separation and her back layout stepout was VERY low, her knee was bent substantially when she contacted the ground. She had a low landing on her double pike, as well.</p>
<p><a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v612/marcEmarc/screen2.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v612/marcEmarc/screen2.jpg</a></p>
<p>And yes, judges DO consider level of difficulty when judging. They are not going to go ahead and give an easier routine with a 10 SV a 9.9 just like that. It would have to be absolutely brilliant, and Deetscreek&#8217;s routine was not brilliant, it was average.</p>
<p>I know level 10 and NCAA judges and I talk with them about deductions, so please don&#8217;t tell me about understanding scoring. I know plenty well what&#8217;s required, I simply rewatched the wrong video (I watched the competition live and discussed with one of those judges during the competition what deductions could and should be taken).</p>
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		<title>By: Juangone</title>
		<link>http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2010/01/gymnastics-utah-edges-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-152475</link>
		<dc:creator>Juangone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And maybe you should watch the video again to see what her final pass is. You&#039;re mistaken there as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And maybe you should watch the video again to see what her final pass is. You&#8217;re mistaken there as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Juangone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juangone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well your comment there explains all of your comments. You need to understand the rules and requirements in order to understand who is under or overscored. Jamie, according to the requirements, has more than enough to score well. Her start value is a 10, easily. So when another gymnast has more difficulty, it doesn&#039;t automatically mean they will score higher. Especially if they don&#039;t execute. Jamie had great execution. You can&#039;t argue that. So if you are under the impression that Jamie should score low because she doesn&#039;t have a couple of E passes, then you don&#039;t understand college gymnastics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well your comment there explains all of your comments. You need to understand the rules and requirements in order to understand who is under or overscored. Jamie, according to the requirements, has more than enough to score well. Her start value is a 10, easily. So when another gymnast has more difficulty, it doesn&#8217;t automatically mean they will score higher. Especially if they don&#8217;t execute. Jamie had great execution. You can&#8217;t argue that. So if you are under the impression that Jamie should score low because she doesn&#8217;t have a couple of E passes, then you don&#8217;t understand college gymnastics.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2010/01/gymnastics-utah-edges-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-152413</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deetscreek&#039;s FX consisted of a double pike, a whip 1/2 front 1/2, and a double full dismount. How do you expect any more than a 9.75 for that?

Grace Taylor did whip through to double pike, double tuck, and a double full dismount for a 9.725, how is Deetscreek&#039;s score too low? Gymnasts are already starting from a 9.9 with only a C dismount (not in combination).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deetscreek&#8217;s FX consisted of a double pike, a whip 1/2 front 1/2, and a double full dismount. How do you expect any more than a 9.75 for that?</p>
<p>Grace Taylor did whip through to double pike, double tuck, and a double full dismount for a 9.725, how is Deetscreek&#8217;s score too low? Gymnasts are already starting from a 9.9 with only a C dismount (not in combination).</p>
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		<title>By: Juangone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juangone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the score Mauro got on floor?  And if you honestly want to compare vault rotations, Georgia does not have much there at all this year (at this point anyway).  They have a long ways to go on that event with amplitude, landings, form issues, etc.  They simply look average at best with the majority of the lineup.  Georgia was much better at hitting handstands and bars, but the scores reflected that.  I&#039;m sorry, you still come across as a sore loser here.  Deetscreek&#039;s bars had one missed handstand, and no way the leg separation is &quot;large&quot;.  Look at it on youtube.  Her double layout is plenty impressive, and certainly had no deductions in it.  And you still haven&#039;t addressed the score she got on floor.  Honestly, she nailed her dance and each tumbling pass.  

I was impressed with how Georgia didn&#039;t let a fall on every event let them have another one.  They were rock solid on beam other than the several little balance checks, but they were rewarded for it with the scores.  Their floor has a ways to go.  Not good landings, out of bounds, and their choreography is not well performed.  I&#039;ve already mentioned vault.  Right now that and floor are their weak events.  

But again, Utah was not over-scored at all compared to Georgia.  Robarts and Deetscreek were both robbed on floor, and they were very tough on Mackie as well with the last pass being her only major mistake.  Annie&#039;s routine to finish the meet was very fair at 9.875. 

I&#039;m not going to say each team didn&#039;t have a few routines that went a little high, but both did, and you&#039;re simply letting your biases stand out, especially when you try to paint a picture of Deetscreek.  She&#039;s making her gymnastics look easy right now.  Her &quot;tumbles&quot; are not low, Daria&#039;s &quot;gigantic&quot; hop was not gigantic, and Rizzo&#039;s vault being &quot;flat&quot; as you describe was as good as every single Georgia girl minus Ding and her step was very controlled.

So in review, Georgia had a fall on bars, a fall on vault, and are lacking a lot there, a fall and several out of bounds on floor, bad landings by Couch, and a bad landing by Mauro, several balance checks and one or two girls taking steps on landings on beam.

Utah had a very nice vault rotation with several sticks and controlled steps and a virtually perfect vault from Robarts, struggled on bars with handstands but had several sticks and no falls, had a fall on beam with the first girl, but then hit the next 5, but could have had more sticks, and went to floor with Gael getting hit hard because of the rough last pass although she stayed on her feet, and the next five girls did a very clean set with basically the only complaint you legitimately have is the step out of Daria&#039;s middle pass which was going away from the judges so it wasn&#039;t even that noticeable to them.  

All of this, yet the judges were more than willing to give out big scores to Georgia in the last rotation and they were really strict with Utah.  And you think Utah was overscored??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the score Mauro got on floor?  And if you honestly want to compare vault rotations, Georgia does not have much there at all this year (at this point anyway).  They have a long ways to go on that event with amplitude, landings, form issues, etc.  They simply look average at best with the majority of the lineup.  Georgia was much better at hitting handstands and bars, but the scores reflected that.  I&#8217;m sorry, you still come across as a sore loser here.  Deetscreek&#8217;s bars had one missed handstand, and no way the leg separation is &#8220;large&#8221;.  Look at it on youtube.  Her double layout is plenty impressive, and certainly had no deductions in it.  And you still haven&#8217;t addressed the score she got on floor.  Honestly, she nailed her dance and each tumbling pass.  </p>
<p>I was impressed with how Georgia didn&#8217;t let a fall on every event let them have another one.  They were rock solid on beam other than the several little balance checks, but they were rewarded for it with the scores.  Their floor has a ways to go.  Not good landings, out of bounds, and their choreography is not well performed.  I&#8217;ve already mentioned vault.  Right now that and floor are their weak events.  </p>
<p>But again, Utah was not over-scored at all compared to Georgia.  Robarts and Deetscreek were both robbed on floor, and they were very tough on Mackie as well with the last pass being her only major mistake.  Annie&#8217;s routine to finish the meet was very fair at 9.875. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to say each team didn&#8217;t have a few routines that went a little high, but both did, and you&#8217;re simply letting your biases stand out, especially when you try to paint a picture of Deetscreek.  She&#8217;s making her gymnastics look easy right now.  Her &#8220;tumbles&#8221; are not low, Daria&#8217;s &#8220;gigantic&#8221; hop was not gigantic, and Rizzo&#8217;s vault being &#8220;flat&#8221; as you describe was as good as every single Georgia girl minus Ding and her step was very controlled.</p>
<p>So in review, Georgia had a fall on bars, a fall on vault, and are lacking a lot there, a fall and several out of bounds on floor, bad landings by Couch, and a bad landing by Mauro, several balance checks and one or two girls taking steps on landings on beam.</p>
<p>Utah had a very nice vault rotation with several sticks and controlled steps and a virtually perfect vault from Robarts, struggled on bars with handstands but had several sticks and no falls, had a fall on beam with the first girl, but then hit the next 5, but could have had more sticks, and went to floor with Gael getting hit hard because of the rough last pass although she stayed on her feet, and the next five girls did a very clean set with basically the only complaint you legitimately have is the step out of Daria&#8217;s middle pass which was going away from the judges so it wasn&#8217;t even that noticeable to them.  </p>
<p>All of this, yet the judges were more than willing to give out big scores to Georgia in the last rotation and they were really strict with Utah.  And you think Utah was overscored??</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and as for Deetscreek&#039;s 9.8 on UB, she missed handstands and had a large leg sep on her Maloney, and her double layout wasn&#039;t all that, either. Neither is Worley&#039;s, but the interior of her routine was better and she got a 9.825.

And when I talk of UGA&#039;s balance checks on BB, they were small ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and as for Deetscreek&#8217;s 9.8 on UB, she missed handstands and had a large leg sep on her Maloney, and her double layout wasn&#8217;t all that, either. Neither is Worley&#8217;s, but the interior of her routine was better and she got a 9.825.</p>
<p>And when I talk of UGA&#8217;s balance checks on BB, they were small ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deetscreek had very low tumbles, Bijak took a gigantic hop out of her simple second pass for a 9.95. Kat Ding stuck her vault with bigger amplitude than most of the Utah gymnasts and only scored 9.875, compared to Beth Rizzo&#039;s flat FTY with a step going in 9.85, and Deetscreek&#039;s going 9.875. Yes, Georgia had some balance checks on BB, but they didn&#039;t make a ton of them, maybe one or 2 per gymnast.

Tanella really dropped the ball at this meet, but everyone else did a pretty good job.

&quot;You didn’t mention all the falls and out of bounds that Georgia had.&quot;

Because only ONE gymnast fell, and only ONE gymnast went OOB, and they were the same girl, Tanella. Couch had landing troubles, but she didn&#039;t go out, and her score of 9.525 reflected that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deetscreek had very low tumbles, Bijak took a gigantic hop out of her simple second pass for a 9.95. Kat Ding stuck her vault with bigger amplitude than most of the Utah gymnasts and only scored 9.875, compared to Beth Rizzo&#8217;s flat FTY with a step going in 9.85, and Deetscreek&#8217;s going 9.875. Yes, Georgia had some balance checks on BB, but they didn&#8217;t make a ton of them, maybe one or 2 per gymnast.</p>
<p>Tanella really dropped the ball at this meet, but everyone else did a pretty good job.</p>
<p>&#8220;You didn’t mention all the falls and out of bounds that Georgia had.&#8221;</p>
<p>Because only ONE gymnast fell, and only ONE gymnast went OOB, and they were the same girl, Tanella. Couch had landing troubles, but she didn&#8217;t go out, and her score of 9.525 reflected that.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Another Opinion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Another Opinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overscored? College? Between Utah and Georgia and the Judges, I&#039;m surprised no one scored over 200. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overscored? College? Between Utah and Georgia and the Judges, I&#8217;m surprised no one scored over 200. <img src='http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Juangone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juangone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please. You&#039;re just coming off as a sore loser. Deetscreek has a ton of difficulty and performs it beautifully. You failed to mention the few Georgia beam routines that had noticeable balance checks and steps that went 9.9 or better, or the floor routine by Mauro that had very noticeable mistakes. You didn&#039;t mention all the falls and out of bounds that Georgia had. And finally, you fail to mention that Deetscreek had a near flawless floor routine that was given a 9.75, and a bar routine that was also amazing that went 9.8, and Robarts who also had a very nice floor routine with the step foward on her first pass that only went 9.75. Utah deserved the win and probably should have won by more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please. You&#8217;re just coming off as a sore loser. Deetscreek has a ton of difficulty and performs it beautifully. You failed to mention the few Georgia beam routines that had noticeable balance checks and steps that went 9.9 or better, or the floor routine by Mauro that had very noticeable mistakes. You didn&#8217;t mention all the falls and out of bounds that Georgia had. And finally, you fail to mention that Deetscreek had a near flawless floor routine that was given a 9.75, and a bar routine that was also amazing that went 9.8, and Robarts who also had a very nice floor routine with the step foward on her first pass that only went 9.75. Utah deserved the win and probably should have won by more.</p>
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