Comments on: Greg Marsden on NCAA Gymnastics http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2009/04/greg-marsden-change-ncaa-gymnastics/ tumbling, tramp, diving, acrobatics, circus, cheer, dance, martial arts, X sports ... Thu, 24 May 2012 05:03:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: shergymrag http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2009/04/greg-marsden-change-ncaa-gymnastics/comment-page-1/#comment-134499 shergymrag Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:20:18 +0000 http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=8221#comment-134499 Personally, I don't think a guy can train in a club for 10 years then go to college and suddenly become a product of the NCAA. Some of these guys were already on an Olympic trajectory before NCAA so I don't think their success had any specific connection to the NCAA. Then there's the guys who made World/Olympic teams after they left NCAA. Hey, that's after. If their clubs don't get the credit because they made the Olympics after they left, NCAA shouldn't get the credit either. I don't follow the men. Their whole Team Chevron/Gattaca/USOC mashup confuses me. Anyway, my original point was that I doubt changing the WAG scoring system will turn the NCAA into a World/Olympic training ground. Personally, I don’t think a guy can train in a club for 10 years then go to college and suddenly become a product of the NCAA. Some of these guys were already on an Olympic trajectory before NCAA so I don’t think their success had any specific connection to the NCAA. Then there’s the guys who made World/Olympic teams after they left NCAA. Hey, that’s after. If their clubs don’t get the credit because they made the Olympics after they left, NCAA shouldn’t get the credit either.

I don’t follow the men. Their whole Team Chevron/Gattaca/USOC mashup confuses me. Anyway, my original point was that I doubt changing the WAG scoring system will turn the NCAA into a World/Olympic training ground.

]]> By: anon http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2009/04/greg-marsden-change-ncaa-gymnastics/comment-page-1/#comment-134420 anon Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:28:27 +0000 http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=8221#comment-134420 Jon Horton finished NCAA months before the Games, as did our current national champ David Sender. All but Hagerty and Artemev trained with NCAA teams to make the team, and still do. It has more to do with the fact that men don't peak until after 21 than the NCAA not being a great training ground that "current" college gymnasts don't go to the Games. Both Sender and Horton were world team members while competing. It just do happens the Olympics fell in years between their college careers. (They were also both at the 2004 Trials right before the started college.) Jon Horton finished NCAA months before the Games, as did our current national champ David Sender. All but Hagerty and Artemev trained with NCAA teams to make the team, and still do. It has more to do with the fact that men don’t peak until after 21 than the NCAA not being a great training ground that “current” college gymnasts don’t go to the Games. Both Sender and Horton were world team members while competing. It just do happens the Olympics fell in years between their college careers. (They were also both at the 2004 Trials right before the started college.)

]]> By: anon http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2009/04/greg-marsden-change-ncaa-gymnastics/comment-page-1/#comment-134419 anon Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:25:08 +0000 http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=8221#comment-134419 Umm, only one of the men on the 2008 team was a product of the USOTC: Joey Hagerty. Durante trained at Stanford before moving to OTC and even Hagerty says he would have done college gym if New Mexico hadn't dropped their program. The Hamms trained at Ohio State with the NCAA team for two Games, even if they didn't compete NCAA themselves. Right now, all but, I think, two of the men's senior national team are NCAA gymnasts. Umm, only one of the men on the 2008 team was a product of the USOTC: Joey Hagerty. Durante trained at Stanford before moving to OTC and even Hagerty says he would have done college gym if New Mexico hadn’t dropped their program. The Hamms trained at Ohio State with the NCAA team for two Games, even if they didn’t compete NCAA themselves. Right now, all but, I think, two of the men’s senior national team are NCAA gymnasts.

]]> By: shergymrag http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2009/04/greg-marsden-change-ncaa-gymnastics/comment-page-1/#comment-134417 shergymrag Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:14:06 +0000 http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=8221#comment-134417 "4 of 6 athletes on the team, were NCAA grads (two recent)." They were grads but they weren't in NCAA at the time they made the team. They got more training before they even got to NCAA. “4 of 6 athletes on the team, were NCAA grads (two recent).” They were grads but they weren’t in NCAA at the time they made the team. They got more training before they even got to NCAA.

]]> By: apolytongp http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2009/04/greg-marsden-change-ncaa-gymnastics/comment-page-1/#comment-134406 apolytongp Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:29:54 +0000 http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=8221#comment-134406 And Sher: 4 of 6 athletes on the team, were NCAA grads (two recent). 5 of 9 if you look at the entire team. They got a lot of training in NCAA. And Sher: 4 of 6 athletes on the team, were NCAA grads (two recent). 5 of 9 if you look at the entire team. They got a lot of training in NCAA.

]]> By: apolytongp http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2009/04/greg-marsden-change-ncaa-gymnastics/comment-page-1/#comment-134404 apolytongp Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:28:14 +0000 http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=8221#comment-134404 I think change to olympic scoring would be better. They need to do real gym. If they are not physically capable of equalling the 14 year olds, that's fine. But they should still have the scoring so we can judge how well they did. Right now, the blizzard of 9.95s, for sub-difficulty routines is just silliness. I think change to olympic scoring would be better. They need to do real gym. If they are not physically capable of equalling the 14 year olds, that’s fine. But they should still have the scoring so we can judge how well they did. Right now, the blizzard of 9.95s, for sub-difficulty routines is just silliness.

]]> By: shergymrag http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2009/04/greg-marsden-change-ncaa-gymnastics/comment-page-1/#comment-134377 shergymrag Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:48:35 +0000 http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=8221#comment-134377 Before you had these USOC programs for the men, the male W/O gymnasts were all college athletes, now it's lucky if one makes the team. I don't think that changing the scoring system for WAG would make the NCAA an Olympic training ground. As it is, some WAG that compete for weaker countries still try and make it. As far as I know, there were two NCAA WAG competing at the 2008 Olympics. Before you had these USOC programs for the men, the male W/O gymnasts were all college athletes, now it’s lucky if one makes the team. I don’t think that changing the scoring system for WAG would make the NCAA an Olympic training ground.

As it is, some WAG that compete for weaker countries still try and make it. As far as I know, there were two NCAA WAG competing at the 2008 Olympics.

]]> By: Coach M http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2009/04/greg-marsden-change-ncaa-gymnastics/comment-page-1/#comment-134343 Coach M Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:05:23 +0000 http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=8221#comment-134343 I agree that live coverage would be more appealing. The CBS coverage tends to be more like watching a sports feature rather than a competition. It's not a bad feature, but it's seems kinda cheesy after you know the results of the competition, which I would expect most gymnastic fans do know the results when they watch. Does anyone think a change to the olympic scoring format would be better? I would still like to see WAG in college become more of an olympic training ground. It's fantastic that there are so many great scholarship programs out there with incredible training facilities, strength programs, medical facilities, etc. Doesn't it seem like these programs should be training world class athletes rather than recruiting them and watering down their skills? I would love to see athletes joining club gyms with the goal of competing for scholarships to college programs and then the best of those athletes training for olympic spots. I think that may actually generate more interest in the sport too. I agree that live coverage would be more appealing. The CBS coverage tends to be more like watching a sports feature rather than a competition. It’s not a bad feature, but it’s seems kinda cheesy after you know the results of the competition, which I would expect most gymnastic fans do know the results when they watch.

Does anyone think a change to the olympic scoring format would be better? I would still like to see WAG in college become more of an olympic training ground. It’s fantastic that there are so many great scholarship programs out there with incredible training facilities, strength programs, medical facilities, etc.

Doesn’t it seem like these programs should be training world class athletes rather than recruiting them and watering down their skills? I would love to see athletes joining club gyms with the goal of competing for scholarships to college programs and then the best of those athletes training for olympic spots.

I think that may actually generate more interest in the sport too.

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