As an athlete, there is a price for glory. Suck it up, buttercup. What a person does for fitness and for sport or completely different things.

I don’t lift heavy ass DL and BS because I want to be able to live till I’m 90 and not have some wear and tear on me. I like contact sports and throwing weights up and trying to catch them. If I wanted to play it safe I could go get some Lulullemons and do yoga. Right after I toss away my MAN card. I might as well add in some balance and swiss ball exercises so I don’t hurt anything.

I would easily say that 90% of the S&C programs in WAG are poor to crappy with very poor direction. I’d say that half of that are ok in MAG with perhaps not enough concern for healthy joints. Very much the grind.

First off, except for James Andrews, all of the folks whom I identified have Ph.D’s, not an M.D. Dr. James Andrews just happens to be in a special case because he does all of the major elbow and shoulder surgeries for major league baseball players and runs a facility down in Alabama that does a lot of research on overhand throwing mechanics.

So, maybe you ought to take the time to actually look these people up. While you’re at it, go read their research and you might learn something.

Secondly, I know what I’m talking about and that’s why I have earned the right to criticize. I also have the advanced education that affords me the right to criticize. You obviously do not and neither do the Thorntons. That is my point. Just because you are a world-class athlete does not mean that you are an exercise expert. There is a science behind it.

Making a website full of calisthenic exercises and charging people $24 a month is something that I have a major problem with when you aren’t qualified to be doing so. As I said, it pisses me off because it’s an insult to the qualified individuals out there that dedicate their lives to training people and improving the fitness industry as a whole. Most hope for licensing someday to eliminate bogus trainers and these stupid ass fad programs like P-90x.

It’s interesting that you have such a problem with my comments, but the Thorntons have said very little. Why don’t you let them fight their own battles?

There you go again, spouting off all these names to try to sound intelligent when you STILL have no idea what kind of knowledge the Thorntons have or what their program is all about. I find it interesting that many of the names you listed were medical doctors when you just got through telling us not to “be fooled” by M.D.’s…they don’t know anything about fitness and exercise, remember?

Congratulations on your “hours of research.” It’s given you just enough information to sound like an ill-informed moron. If you had actually taken the time to investigate the Thorntons’ program you would see that their program centers around the very philosophy that you yourself are endorsing…a “holistic” approach that involves abs, upper body, lower body, cardio, and flexibility, along with nutrition guidelines. They’ve created a program that is six months long and appears to be anything but a bogus “get fit quick” scheme…in fact it appears to be about the most in-depth program I’ve seen out there. But you haven’t picked up on that because you’re too busy contradicting yourself and falsely accusing others of doing exactly what you’re doing yourself…pretending to be an expert on something that you’re not.

My comments are absolutely valid and correct. I am not a physical therapy student – although, I wish that I were because I’d be even better at making assessments. However, I do have a formal background in biomechanics and functional anatomy. Furthermore, I have spent numerous hours reading research related to muscular flexibility and strength imbalances and asymmetries.

Before you go running off at the mouth, you really ought to go listen to some legitimate fitness and health professionals speak. Go purchase or read some materials by Dr. Gary Gray, Gray Cook, M.S.P.T., Shirley Sahrmann, Ph.D, the late Florence Kendall, Donald Neumann, Ph.D, W.B. Kibler, Ph.D, James Andrews, M.D., & Kevin Wilk, DPT. Gary Gray and Shirley Sahrmann are truly pioneers in manual therapy. Kibler, Andrews, and Wilk are shoulder experts. Gray Cook created the Functional Movement Screen. Donald Neumann is a PT and functional anatomy expert from Marquette University. Florence Kendall was a pioneer in manual muscle testing. Go read some of the late Dr. Vladimir Janda’s work and his insight into the phenomenon known as the upper and lower crossed syndromes. Go check out Dr. Stu McGill’s numerous refereed articles on how bad lumbar flexion is on the spine as it creates a shearing force that may ultimately lead to a disc herniation. Or, do you have a clue how sit-ups and crunches contribute to the depression of the rib cage and exacerbate thoracic kyphosis?

Just because somebody looks good does not mean that they are truly fit and healthy. If you want proof, go manually test every bodybuilder.

I’m not jealous of anyone. I’m pissed off because people who have no formal education in exercise are marking a product when they have not earned that right. I have more education than these two guys put together when it comes to exercise science and I’m not even marketing myself, yet because I still have so much to learn from some of the leaders in the industry.

Physique means nothing. But, for your information, I’m in pretty damn good shape for someone who is 31 years old. I’m sitting on about 7% body fat and my abs are clearly visible. I’m not training for gymnastics so I probably don’t look exactly like a gymnast.

The bottom line is this – anybody who markets you on “get rich, get quick” in the fitness industry is probably bogus. Oh, they may shave a few pounds off of you by working you hard, but that does not mean that you are going to truly move and feel better. That does not mean that you’ve enhanced your movement quality. The better trainers/coaches advertise that their approach is a process with a more holistic philosophy behind it. They’ll get results, but they’ll do it in a progressional manner with a continued focus improving your movement patterns and fixing up any asymmetries and imbalances. This approach takes time, however.

That’s where training and strength and conditioning is evolving to.

Your comments are completely ignorant. Your attempts to sound intelligent are both obvious and pathetic, not to mention completely overshadowed by your inferiority complex. You know absolutely nothing about the program these guys have put together nor about their backgrounds and credentials; you sound ridiculous trying to pretend that you do. My guess is you are some physical therapy student who never excelled as an athlete and are jealous of those who did. I’d love to see your physique next to these guys and then let people decide for themselves who they’re going to listen to with regards to fitness.

Gymnast may yet return, hopefully the old content too.

Sad thing is I can’t find much to disagree on. But I LUBS me some of those posts that Jay put up on gymnast.com. Hmm…maybe if we kiss his a…foot, we can get him to give us the dirt on what went down when it folded.

Dish, Jay! Was it an anti-TCO move by TPTB?