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		<title>By: coach Rick</title>
		<link>http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2009/03/china-20-of-athletes-lied-about-age/comment-page-1/#comment-152843</link>
		<dc:creator>coach Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I coached 10yrs at the University of Saskatchewan, a word research centre in bone density. All gymnasts were tested multiple times during different research studies. 

Turns out gymnasts have the best bone density of any athlete, a huge PLUS, especially for the females.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I coached 10yrs at the University of Saskatchewan, a word research centre in bone density. All gymnasts were tested multiple times during different research studies. </p>
<p>Turns out gymnasts have the best bone density of any athlete, a huge PLUS, especially for the females.</p>
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		<title>By: Ono No Komachi</title>
		<link>http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2009/03/china-20-of-athletes-lied-about-age/comment-page-1/#comment-116205</link>
		<dc:creator>Ono No Komachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 04:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And no one is going to die if 12 year old girls compete in the Olympics...unlike if someone drives while yakking on a cell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And no one is going to die if 12 year old girls compete in the Olympics&#8230;unlike if someone drives while yakking on a cell.</p>
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		<title>By: shergymrag</title>
		<link>http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2009/03/china-20-of-athletes-lied-about-age/comment-page-1/#comment-115378</link>
		<dc:creator>shergymrag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The whole idea that if a rule canâ€™t be enforced, that it should be removed is just retarded. Here in Washington State, talking on a cell phone while driving is against the law. However, itâ€™s a secondary offense which means the police officer canâ€™t pull you over for just that, there has to be something else. Thus there is a problem enforcing the rule. However, itâ€™s still a good rule because talking on phone impairs your judgment just as much as being drunk. It just needs work. Eventually the law will become a first offense.&quot;

You can see if someone is talking on their cell phone while they are driving.  The problem with the age limit is you can&#039;t tell how old someone is just by looking at them.  You need documents as proof and they can be forged.  In some countries more easily than others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The whole idea that if a rule canâ€™t be enforced, that it should be removed is just retarded. Here in Washington State, talking on a cell phone while driving is against the law. However, itâ€™s a secondary offense which means the police officer canâ€™t pull you over for just that, there has to be something else. Thus there is a problem enforcing the rule. However, itâ€™s still a good rule because talking on phone impairs your judgment just as much as being drunk. It just needs work. Eventually the law will become a first offense.&#8221;</p>
<p>You can see if someone is talking on their cell phone while they are driving.  The problem with the age limit is you can&#8217;t tell how old someone is just by looking at them.  You need documents as proof and they can be forged.  In some countries more easily than others.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2009/03/china-20-of-athletes-lied-about-age/comment-page-1/#comment-114709</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I hear Al Quaeda has an amazing gymnastics team. Unfortunately, those long robes, machine guns, and bombs get in the way of the dismount. They tend to explode on impact, so sticking the landing is always tricky. 

Gotta love the sarcasm to break up the ridiculous comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I hear Al Quaeda has an amazing gymnastics team. Unfortunately, those long robes, machine guns, and bombs get in the way of the dismount. They tend to explode on impact, so sticking the landing is always tricky. </p>
<p>Gotta love the sarcasm to break up the ridiculous comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Ono No Komachi</title>
		<link>http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2009/03/china-20-of-athletes-lied-about-age/comment-page-1/#comment-114689</link>
		<dc:creator>Ono No Komachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coach Rick:

I saw the rules described in the Olympic Charter:

http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_122.pdf

&quot;Notwithstanding the applicable rules and deadlines for all arbitration and appeal procedures, and subject to any other provision of the World Anti-Doping Code, no decision
taken by the IOC concerning an edition of the Olympic Games, including but not limited to competitions and their consequences such as rankings or results, can be challenged by anyone after a period of three years from the day of the Closing Ceremony of such Games.&quot;

The 8 year statute of limitations for doping offenses comes from the WADA code.

WADA really only got started after Sydney, so all the dopers prior to those games have pretty much gotten away with it if they were not caught right away.

I don&#039;t know the answer to this, but it&#039;s relevant to the current discussion. Does anyone know if any of the East German female swimmers had medals stripped? A lot of those athletes have pretty much admitted they were using anabolic steroids (although many of them didn&#039;t know it at the time - like the Chinese girls, they lived in a totalitarian state and did what they were told).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coach Rick:</p>
<p>I saw the rules described in the Olympic Charter:</p>
<p><a href="http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_122.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://multimedia.olympic.org/pdf/en_report_122.pdf</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Notwithstanding the applicable rules and deadlines for all arbitration and appeal procedures, and subject to any other provision of the World Anti-Doping Code, no decision<br />
taken by the IOC concerning an edition of the Olympic Games, including but not limited to competitions and their consequences such as rankings or results, can be challenged by anyone after a period of three years from the day of the Closing Ceremony of such Games.&#8221;</p>
<p>The 8 year statute of limitations for doping offenses comes from the WADA code.</p>
<p>WADA really only got started after Sydney, so all the dopers prior to those games have pretty much gotten away with it if they were not caught right away.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the answer to this, but it&#8217;s relevant to the current discussion. Does anyone know if any of the East German female swimmers had medals stripped? A lot of those athletes have pretty much admitted they were using anabolic steroids (although many of them didn&#8217;t know it at the time &#8211; like the Chinese girls, they lived in a totalitarian state and did what they were told).</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Tracy, the &quot;grow up&quot; comment was directed specifically for Apolytongp.  I love reading this blog, and the relevant commentary.  If I wanted to read or hear the crap spewed by A, there are plenty of places to find that. Let&#039;s keep on point.  Thanks to the rest of you for your informative, intelligent opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Tracy, the &#8220;grow up&#8221; comment was directed specifically for Apolytongp.  I love reading this blog, and the relevant commentary.  If I wanted to read or hear the crap spewed by A, there are plenty of places to find that. Let&#8217;s keep on point.  Thanks to the rest of you for your informative, intelligent opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: coach Rick</title>
		<link>http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2009/03/china-20-of-athletes-lied-about-age/comment-page-1/#comment-114431</link>
		<dc:creator>coach Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ono No Komachi says ...

&quot;The statue of limitations stripping medals from Olympic doping offenders is 8 years, so not even all the dopers could have their medals taken away.

For non doping offenses, the statute of limitation runs out 3 years after the date of the closing ceremony ...&quot;

Where did you see this Ono? 

It&#039;s news to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ono No Komachi says &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The statue of limitations stripping medals from Olympic doping offenders is 8 years, so not even all the dopers could have their medals taken away.</p>
<p>For non doping offenses, the statute of limitation runs out 3 years after the date of the closing ceremony &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Where did you see this Ono? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s news to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ono No Komachi</title>
		<link>http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2009/03/china-20-of-athletes-lied-about-age/comment-page-1/#comment-114422</link>
		<dc:creator>Ono No Komachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some facts - 

The statue of limitations stripping medals from Olympic doping offenders is 8 years, so not even all the dopers could have their medals taken away. 

For non doping offenses, the statute of limitation runs out 3 years after the date of the closing ceremony, so why anyone was even talking about investigating Yang Yun et al was a bunch of hot air.

The 2008 Chinese WAG situation is complicated by the fact that prior to the Games there was almost as much evidence as their is now that some of the Chinese girls were underage, and for obvious reasons, nothing was done about it at the time.

The IOC can bar athletes for ANY or NO reason if that organization feels an athletes presence would be a detriment to the games. Greek sprinter Ekaterina Thanou was barred from Beijing. She has never failed a drug test - just missed some because of a &quot;motorcycle accident&quot; that probably never happened.

There was no way something similar was going to happen to the Chinese gymnasts when the games were in China, especially absent anything concrete like a positive or missed drug test.

If the IOC thought these girls were &quot;old&quot; enough to compete in Beijing, they are &quot;old&quot; enough to keep their medals...unless one of them flat out admits she lied about her age, which will never happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some facts &#8211; </p>
<p>The statue of limitations stripping medals from Olympic doping offenders is 8 years, so not even all the dopers could have their medals taken away. </p>
<p>For non doping offenses, the statute of limitation runs out 3 years after the date of the closing ceremony, so why anyone was even talking about investigating Yang Yun et al was a bunch of hot air.</p>
<p>The 2008 Chinese WAG situation is complicated by the fact that prior to the Games there was almost as much evidence as their is now that some of the Chinese girls were underage, and for obvious reasons, nothing was done about it at the time.</p>
<p>The IOC can bar athletes for ANY or NO reason if that organization feels an athletes presence would be a detriment to the games. Greek sprinter Ekaterina Thanou was barred from Beijing. She has never failed a drug test &#8211; just missed some because of a &#8220;motorcycle accident&#8221; that probably never happened.</p>
<p>There was no way something similar was going to happen to the Chinese gymnasts when the games were in China, especially absent anything concrete like a positive or missed drug test.</p>
<p>If the IOC thought these girls were &#8220;old&#8221; enough to compete in Beijing, they are &#8220;old&#8221; enough to keep their medals&#8230;unless one of them flat out admits she lied about her age, which will never happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apolytongp?  Not really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apolytongp?  Not really.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2009/03/china-20-of-athletes-lied-about-age/comment-page-1/#comment-114372</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow - what a ridiculous load of nonsense I have just read.
Indeed, it is a gymnastics blog, not a political view page.  I live in the USA and am proud of my wussy anti-capital punishment homeland. But this isn&#039;t the place to debate our political views nor sling such rude comments. Grow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; what a ridiculous load of nonsense I have just read.<br />
Indeed, it is a gymnastics blog, not a political view page.  I live in the USA and am proud of my wussy anti-capital punishment homeland. But this isn&#8217;t the place to debate our political views nor sling such rude comments. Grow up.</p>
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