Comments on: what’s with the judging at the Olympics? http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2008/08/whats-with-the-judging-at-the-olympics/ tumbling, tramp, diving, acrobatics, circus, cheer, dance, martial arts, X sports ... Sun, 12 Feb 2012 02:40:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: sinatra12 http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2008/08/whats-with-the-judging-at-the-olympics/comment-page-1/#comment-76557 sinatra12 Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:33:16 +0000 http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=5729#comment-76557 I was shocked when Nastia fell on her back and still qualified and when Alicia S. lostthe bronze to a gymnast that fell. The list goes on and on. I guess I am not a fan of the new scoring. I just think the judging needs to be consistent. I think the viewers and the gymnasts would feel better if explanations of the judges' scores were available. Scoring already takes a long time, whats a few more minutes. :) I was shocked when Nastia fell on her back and still qualified and when Alicia S. lostthe bronze to a gymnast that fell. The list goes on and on. I guess I am not a fan of the new scoring.

I just think the judging needs to be consistent.

I think the viewers and the gymnasts would feel better if explanations of the judges’ scores were available. Scoring already takes a long time, whats a few more minutes. :)

]]> By: bettycoltrane http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2008/08/whats-with-the-judging-at-the-olympics/comment-page-1/#comment-75559 bettycoltrane Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:09:57 +0000 http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=5729#comment-75559 To comment 13: MUCH better an FIG judge. Former not even worth it. To comment 13: MUCH better an FIG judge. Former not even worth it.

]]> By: shergymrag http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2008/08/whats-with-the-judging-at-the-olympics/comment-page-1/#comment-75537 shergymrag Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:46:51 +0000 http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=5729#comment-75537 "right, that’s why i didn’t say that she shouldn’t get deducted for the back tuck" Her chest is still on her knees for the full. "you’re just one of the little Shawn haterz, sherg." I just don't think an 8.8 is all that far off for Shawn. Rules are rules. I prefer it when the judges are stingy vs. being too lenient. I don't care how hard the trick is, mistakes need to be deducted. “right, that’s why i didn’t say that she shouldn’t get deducted for the back tuck”

Her chest is still on her knees for the full.

“you’re just one of the little Shawn haterz, sherg.”

I just don’t think an 8.8 is all that far off for Shawn. Rules are rules. I prefer it when the judges are stingy vs. being too lenient. I don’t care how hard the trick is, mistakes need to be deducted.

]]> By: shergymrag http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2008/08/whats-with-the-judging-at-the-olympics/comment-page-1/#comment-75524 shergymrag Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:09:43 +0000 http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=5729#comment-75524 "Carlin. Or, better, a FIG Women’s judge. Please list the deductions for Shawn totalling 0.8 - 1.2." I am neither but I'll give it a try. From Article 6 table of general faults, by the B panel - deduction - small (.1), medium (.3), large (.5), Insufficient height of elements (each time) - .1, .3 insufficient split (each time) - .1, .3 Throughout the entire exercise Insufficient flexibility - .1 Insufficient amplitude of elements - .1, .3 Shawn's counting scores were 9.0 (2), 9.1 (1), 9.2 (1). “Carlin. Or, better, a FIG Women’s judge. Please list the deductions for Shawn totalling 0.8 – 1.2.”

I am neither but I’ll give it a try.

From Article 6 table of general faults, by the B panel -
deduction – small (.1), medium (.3), large (.5),
Insufficient height of elements (each time) – .1, .3
insufficient split (each time) – .1, .3

Throughout the entire exercise
Insufficient flexibility – .1
Insufficient amplitude of elements – .1, .3

Shawn’s counting scores were 9.0 (2), 9.1 (1), 9.2 (1).

]]> By: TCO http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2008/08/whats-with-the-judging-at-the-olympics/comment-page-1/#comment-75521 TCO Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:30:02 +0000 http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=5729#comment-75521 you're just one of the little Shawn haterz, sherg. Well Shawn got her Amanar and her triple. And she's going to crush Nastia and all gthe rythmic gym lovers and break you all into peices. you’re just one of the little Shawn haterz, sherg. Well Shawn got her Amanar and her triple. And she’s going to crush Nastia and all gthe rythmic gym lovers and break you all into peices.

]]> By: M.L. http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2008/08/whats-with-the-judging-at-the-olympics/comment-page-1/#comment-75519 M.L. Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:18:40 +0000 http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=5729#comment-75519 right, that's why i didn't say that she shouldn't get deducted for the back tuck :) right, that’s why i didn’t say that she shouldn’t get deducted for the back tuck :)

]]> By: shergymrag http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2008/08/whats-with-the-judging-at-the-olympics/comment-page-1/#comment-75513 shergymrag Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:03:56 +0000 http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=5729#comment-75513 "...but if johnson competes a standing full on a 4 inch beam without so much as a toe out of place, but then gets hammered for her chest being low - that’s just absurd." It doesn't matter if she didn't wobble. Gymnastics has deduction for amplitude as well. You can stick a skill all you want but if it's low amplitude, expect a deduction. Just ask Ivana Hong why her bars scores suck. For Shawn, it's not just the standing full. She also has a low chest on that back tuck and we've seen gymnasts end a jump, back tuck with a higher chest. Shawn's chest is on her knees when she finishes. Bridget can finish her jump, back tuck with a higher chest, so can Cheng. Carly could do it too. Shawn should't get a pass. Also add Shawn's low chest on her dismount to possible deduction areas. “…but if johnson competes a standing full on a 4 inch beam without so much as a toe out of place, but then gets hammered for her chest being low – that’s just absurd.”

It doesn’t matter if she didn’t wobble. Gymnastics has deduction for amplitude as well. You can stick a skill all you want but if it’s low amplitude, expect a deduction. Just ask Ivana Hong why her bars scores suck. For Shawn, it’s not just the standing full. She also has a low chest on that back tuck and we’ve seen gymnasts end a jump, back tuck with a higher chest. Shawn’s chest is on her knees when she finishes. Bridget can finish her jump, back tuck with a higher chest, so can Cheng. Carly could do it too. Shawn should’t get a pass.

Also add Shawn’s low chest on her dismount to possible deduction areas.

]]> By: SteveL http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2008/08/whats-with-the-judging-at-the-olympics/comment-page-1/#comment-75490 SteveL Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:33:56 +0000 http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=5729#comment-75490 I think the proposed increased deduction for a fall (from .8 to 1.0) is a great idea and will reward consistency more. But more along those lines I think the BEST idea is to increase deductions for form breaks. If you can't do the skill clean then you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. This would encourage more cleanliness of skills at perhaps the expense of difficulty which should overall be a good thing. The greatest discrepancies we see with falling are pretty much only on UB. VT, BB and FX if you fall or make a major mistake you are generally out of medal contention. The problem right now is basically that the U.S. and China are soooo far ahead of everyone in difficulty that they can fall and still make EFs. The one major downside is ENFORCING the deductions if they choose to increase them.. and that has to do with unbiased judges whether they exist or not. So that may always be a problem... hopefully not in the future though, heh. Publishing specific deductions would also encourage more honesty. I like that. I think the proposed increased deduction for a fall (from .8 to 1.0) is a great idea and will reward consistency more. But more along those lines I think the BEST idea is to increase deductions for form breaks. If you can’t do the skill clean then you shouldn’t be doing it in the first place. This would encourage more cleanliness of skills at perhaps the expense of difficulty which should overall be a good thing.

The greatest discrepancies we see with falling are pretty much only on UB. VT, BB and FX if you fall or make a major mistake you are generally out of medal contention. The problem right now is basically that the U.S. and China are soooo far ahead of everyone in difficulty that they can fall and still make EFs.

The one major downside is ENFORCING the deductions if they choose to increase them.. and that has to do with unbiased judges whether they exist or not. So that may always be a problem… hopefully not in the future though, heh.

Publishing specific deductions would also encourage more honesty. I like that.

]]> By: TCO http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2008/08/whats-with-the-judging-at-the-olympics/comment-page-1/#comment-75461 TCO Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:40:54 +0000 http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=5729#comment-75461 I think this discussion is moving us forward to better solutions. 1. Rick, the composition deductions are in the CoP and it's on the web. Just download it. 2. I agree that publishing the specific deductions would be useful. That way we could see if Shawn was getting hammered for a low chest on beam and Fei not on floor. Etc. At least some sunshine would move the needle to a better solution (we'll never have perfections). I think this discussion is moving us forward to better solutions.

1. Rick, the composition deductions are in the CoP and it’s on the web. Just download it.

2. I agree that publishing the specific deductions would be useful. That way we could see if Shawn was getting hammered for a low chest on beam and Fei not on floor. Etc. At least some sunshine would move the needle to a better solution (we’ll never have perfections).

]]> By: asdf http://gymnasticscoaching.com/new/2008/08/whats-with-the-judging-at-the-olympics/comment-page-1/#comment-75460 asdf Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:29:34 +0000 http://gymnasticscoaching.com/?p=5729#comment-75460 "if you can’t see the deductions in shawn’s beam routine you are blind" yes, the deductions are there, but if they're going to nail her for her low chest, they need to nail everybody else similarly. the judging was inconsistent across the board. “if you can’t see the deductions in shawn’s beam routine you are blind”

yes, the deductions are there, but if they’re going to nail her for her low chest, they need to nail everybody else similarly. the judging was inconsistent across the board.

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